Do you ever feel like you didn’t receive the handbook on certain social norms? Like, there are times when everyone seems to know exactly what to do and you’re like, “Oh shoot… I would have done the opposite” Or rather than not receiving the handbook, do you ever feel like the culture surrounding your childhood–family, but also the wider culture of your school, church and friends–was just a little (or a lot) off? And as you grow up you realize that what everyone deemed normal in this particular community is most definitely NOT normal or acceptable once you’ve crossed the boarders out of your childhood influences? I have definitely felt that way and I wanted to share two specific ways I now believe that what I was taught in my childhood were way off.
The first is my sense of humor. I recently spoke with a friend of mine that I’ve known since we were 9. We grew up together in Littleton, Colorado a suburb of Denver and I was asking her if she ever felt that due to the culture of our local friends and most especially friends in our church, did she feel like she had a skewed sense of humor? Her answer was an emphatic YES. The culture where we grew up was that nearly everything was something to be laughed at as long as someone said it was a “joke.” There were certain families and individuals who seemed to have more influence in this belief system than others, and everyone else, it seemed, played along. One example I remember was a family in our church that I now recognize as all having a cognitive disability–the parents and all the children. At best there was a very low-level of tolerance for them. But most of the time there was exclusion, avoidance, and teasing–not usually to their faces, but there was plenty of teasing behind their backs and I found it curious when the adults who witnessed this teasing, either audibly laughed or stifled their smiles. Of course as this all seemed normal over time, I also engaged in this teasing and exclusion. One particular time that I am too ashamed to write about.
No surprise, a lot of the boys and young men got away with aggressive behavior that I know now to recognize as abuse. Name calling, putting girls down for their looks/weight, and I personally experienced plenty of physical aggression. But it was a joke. They didn’t mean it. We were to lighten up. (And if they did mean it, well what about my mouth? I was quite the smart alec afterall… I probably deserved it.)
One of the few times my parents intervened in me being physically hurt, we went up to one of the offending boys’ homes and had a talk with his parents. They seemed to take everything seriously and tell him he wasn’t to do that again. The next day, at church, this same boy came up to me and sneered in my face, “Once you left we all had a good laugh over that one last night.” I believed him. His parents seemed to find his antics particularly entertaining. (It might be helpful to note his parents also held high callings in our church and were in most ways what I would consider to be good people. People are complex.) And honestly I didn’t think much of it. I wasn’t being sexually assaulted or really beaten, it was more like the kind of physical fighting siblings might engage in, but a little harder and at an age past when most would deem “kids being kids.”So over the line, but “not that bad.”
And make no mistake, I was just as much enmeshed in this culture as well. My older brother and I got into physical altercations regularly (I was mostly on the defending end of these bouts) and as for my younger brother I mostly remember occasionally holding him down and doing a spit or tickle torture (seemed mild to me by comparison–but again my measuring stick for comparison was way off.) I don’t remember ever just outright hitting him, but I could be wrong. Most of my assaults were verbal low-blows, and doing somethings that may have been “all in good fun” but taking it just a little too far.
In high school one of my friends of a different faith was commenting about the general culture of our faith once said, “It seems like as long as you guys aren’t drinking or having sex your parents are pretty much cool with anything.”
“Pretty much.” I said.
TP-ing (toilet papering) other people’s homes was practically encouraged–often with the parents driving the kids to their target house, or giving them money to go buy TP. Mostly this was a “all in good clean fun” type of activity that wasn’t meant to be done in a hurtful manner–something I still generally feel the same way about today–except that even in this realm we sometimes crossed the line and called it humor. Like when we also used eggs. And maybe tampons, with a little ketchup for effect. Overall the kids in my church group were seen as good kids, with high moral standards and values. But when I look back and remember some of the things we laughed at and brushed off, I am embarrassed to have been a part of it.
The other thing I now recognize as NOT OK but I totally thought it was OK as a kid, and maybe even much of my younger adult life, was to immediately ask prying, bold questions about a persons life when I didn’t know them well or at all. This one is a little more subtle. I can’t say its negative all the time, but what I thought was a display of how bold and unafraid I was to ask difficult questions, now I know shows that I was, at times, just being an ass. It’s hard for me to think of a specific example of this, but I do remember one time reading an interview (or perhaps her book?) with Tina Fey. She said that one of her tests to know if someone was a cool person or not was how quickly they asked about her scar. If they asked right after meeting her, she knew they wouldn’t be friends. And, from what I remember, most of her best friends waited a long time or never asked at all. When I read that I immediately realized I would have been in that first camp.
Honestly the main problem I see with all of the above, is that I don’t ever remember being taught kindness. Wait, I do remember it at church. I do. But when the wider culture was such that a “joke” was often code for “it’s OK to be mean” it was hard to take it seriously. There was definitely a “hunt or be hunted” kind of mentality. And at home, I really don’t remember kindness being emphasized or taught at all. Not sure why. (I have my theories.) The longest lasting effect all of this has had on me is not so much in the realm of not understanding where to draw the line on jokes–I get that now–but rather, the idea that no matter how angry you might be there are some things you should never say out loud because there are somethings you can never take back. Below the belt comments were just a way of life for me as a kid and it has taken me a while to realize, “Wait… when you’re mad you don’t immediately say the most hurtful thing you can think of?”
In turn, I grew a tough skin (it’s softer now, but not as soft as I’d like) and in college many people in my life commented on my emotional “tough” surface and how I never cried. But I can say I consider myself to be genuinely kind. I may not always be the nicest person (the one who has a huge smile on her face at all times, and goes around giving compliments away like candy) as that’s not my personality. But I am KIND. I care–and despite my upbringing I believe I always have–about people and their humanity deeply. I’ve never enjoyed violence, even mildly like in a mosh pit, and I emphasize kindness in my home. (Even though I still yell at my kids occasionally and my own tone often comes across as abrasive. Working on it all!) And if there is anything I hate more, it’s when a criticism is wrapped up as a “joke.”
Oh man… that was a little heavier than I thought it would be. It was hard to write some of that out, but it also felt good at the same time to openly share and discuss these very real cultural problems I experienced as a kid. I should probably mention here that many of the people who may have been a part of that problematic culture have grown up to be good people. Even the grown-ups from my childhood are certainly not terrible human beings, but like all of us they had their blind spots. Also, as a society in general we are having conversations now that we didn’t have when I was a kid–conversations about bullying, race, disability, LGBTQ issues and embracing differences in general. It wasn’t only my church culture where I found these problematic areas–middle school was awful–but my church culture might have been the most damaging because it was mixed up with “the church.” But what about you? I would be so curious if any of my fellow Latter-Day Saint peeps also had this experience? If not, what were some of the misconceptions you’ve had to grow out of as an adult that you thought was “normal” as a kid? Humans are fascinating.
I am about the same age and also LDS, though I grew up in a different part of the country. One of the big things my siblings and I realized as adults that was not OK was how much my parents talked and joked about sex. My dad is not an active church member and my parents have a kind-of dysfunctional relationship, and their was a lot of inappropriate sex talk in my house growing up. Plus, high school was so pre-occupied with sex, and popular culture. And then I felt like at church they talked to the youth about it so much. Sometimes I feel like I wasted too much of my youth being preoccupied with sex! It seemed like I got the message that the only power women had was in being sexy, but I also got the message that we weren’t supposed to be sexy. And I was nerdy and shy and socially awkward, so I just thought my life was doomed.
I definitely talk about sex in healthy ways with my kids, but not in a joking manner or in a salacious way at all. When they were little, I never joked about them having ‘girlfriends’ or ‘boyfriends’ or anything like that. Healthy sexuality is a part of life, but it definitely isn’t everything, and I don’t think teenage boys are all just total horndogs all the time.
I also don’t remember much emphasis on kindness or empathy for others, especially not the way we talk about it now. I did grow up in a culturally diverse area, where white people were the minority, so there was definitely multiculturalism, but not a lot of actual conversations about racism, LGBT issues, sexism, etc.
I was born a prickly pear. I wasn’t super comfortable with attention and normal social settings were intimidating. Like most navigating adolescences who I really was inside wasn’t who I allowed to be seen. I think you develop coping mechanisms and some you never grow out of. Everyone knows the 40+ year old man or women, still doing mean girl tactics or boys will be boys attitudes. It’s repulsive and sad.
Religion and I mean any religion, is hard to merge with the world especially when your young. The idea that god wants you to come as you are and in the same sentence we need to change to be worthy can sound insane… especially in this modern world.
As an adult I cling to what I know: 1. I’m far from that prickly pear teen, and I like to recognize how grateful I wasn’t a done deal at 14 and neither are any of us. But my parents had less and less influence on me so I do hold the child accountable not the parents. 2. I know god to be all around and for everyone. And my job is to never judge another or support a culture that does. I recognize I have power in my religious and social culture to make it actively kind. 3. Life all gives us different experiences so we can borrow and share to become better humans.
On the humor front. I have been able to get through life and death close calls because I had humor. True humor isn’t at anyone’s expense it’s a laugh that turns to a cry then a laugh that can remind you that the bad will pass and there is sooo much good to be had. Sarcasm is a wedge I find as I get older.
Yes, humor is imperative! But also yes, not at other’s expense. And yes to owning your choices as an adult and not blaming your childhood or upbringing (although, also being patient with the fact that this can take a while to process and separate).
And yes it’s so hard to know how and who to be when you’re 14–grace and forgiveness for everyone.
So interesting and I totally agree with this. There is a lot of talk these days about being open with your kids about sex and making it a normal and comfortable topic around the house. But what about when that goes too far? Although the situation was a little different, I felt very much like you. Being able to talk about sex wasn’t the issue, but how it was discussed was not helpful or healthy. I was a little too privy to my parents’ sex life (sleeping with headphones on at full blast for example, among other things) and it definitely crossed a boundry. Not coincidentally, I too received the message that a lot of my worth would be found in how attractive I would be found by the opposite sex and my ability to marry well.
I’m also LDS but grew up in a very liberal town where the majority of my ward/congregation was well educated and my experience was very different. Part of it is because one of my parents was raised in a dysfunctional, emotionally abusive home and they emphasized kindness ALWAYS while raising me and my siblings. I remember myself and other teenagers “joking”, which I now realize was us trying to be mean, but all of the adults in my life actively discouraged meanness and we talked about being kind and inclusive. We had a woman who was deaf in our ward and as a ward, people would call her on the phone (using the service, so she could see what we were saying), people would learn sign language, primary songs were done with signs, etc.. I remember adults going out of their way to include a few YW who were from low income, uneducated homes or reaching out to people struggling with mental illness. I feel blessed to have grown up with such strong examples of kindness. All my friends’ moms were also sticklers for kindness and that was a powerful influence on. I consider myself kind, although I could definitely work on showing more kindness and patience to my kids. Unfortunately for my kids, I struggled with mental illness without seeking treatment for awhile and I wasn’t kind. I’m now trying to undo that behavior in my own home.
UGH, that came out wrong. I didn’t mean for it to come across that way. I was trying to describe the culture of my town growing up, which was quite liberal and a college town so many, many people were educated.
Kindness has NOTHING to do with politics and education. The young women in my ward who felt excluded a lot, felt excluded because their home life was markedly different. Our leaders worked really hard to make them feel included and heard, and made efforts to teach us how to relate to people with different backgrounds. I’m pretty socially awkward so I have no idea if that came out better but I’m trying.
I didn’t think either comment came out wrong. 🙂
I’m SO glad you had that experience growing up. I should also say that I doubt this was the experience for EVERYONE in our church community, as we all had friends we were closer with than others and therefore some people naturally had more influence in our lives than others. I will also say that one of my friends’ moms from those days is a person I still look up to as one of the kindest, most loving people I’ve ever known. So it’s not that it wasn’t anywhere… but all factors coming together (the 80’s-early 90’s upbringing, middle school, family influence, and larger social influence) this was definitely something I saw in my life.
And, I will say there are definitely disabilities that people tend to rally around more, and other disabilities that people tend to shun more. A person who is blind feels less threatening than a person with an intellectual disability… so I’m wondering if those factors also played into how these things played out. (Not that I don’t think the people you grew up with were not kind, I’m sure they were.)
I’m curious if you feel like they used religion as a way to excuse it. Like many religions you can ask for forgiveness and all those bad things just go away. I started in a house that went to church but the community were not nice people outside the church. In 3rd grade my mom was driving and a woman cut her off and gave her the finger and it was the pastor’s wife. That was the last straw of many other reasons and my mom decided we wouldn’t go anymore. She said they don’t practice what they preach.
Honestly, I think it’s more complicated and nuanced than that. As I touched on in the last paragraph, I really don’t want to portray these people–who I know are anonymous to you, but not to me–as bad people. They weren’t and they aren’t. But they had their blind spots. (As do I.)
I’m not sure that they used religion as a way to excuse it–like “I’ll just repent later.”–but rather (this is my take) when you have a church culture that is has a lot of check-boxes and some very measureable metrics to determine a person’s “worthiness” it can make the inner work all those check-boxes are supposed to be working toward, feel less important. For example, not drinking alcohol or coffee is a commandment in the LDS church, and it’s one that you can easily check-mark–either you do or you don’t drink. Therefore if you take two people–one who drinks but is SUPER kind, and one who doesn’t drink but is a total jerk–most people will point to the easiest to measureable data to determine which person is “one the right path” and 9 times out of 10 it will be the person who doesn’t drink.
Don’t get me wrong, we DO emphasize kindness and charity and love and having hearts that are changed for the better, but those things are less measureable. So if you had all of these people in our church growing up who did all the things they were “supposed to do”–read scriptures, pray, pay tithing, not drink, etc–it was easier to excuse a little bad behavior in terms of making fun of someone here and there. Again, that’s my take.
I’m really grateful for my dad, who did not tolerate much teasing in our home because he said that even if it’s a joke, those words can have an effect. He also told us he would way rather see us smoke a joint than be mean to someone else. I think that was the general culture in our ward, too. We had some youth that were a little older than me with some intellectual disabilities and a couple with physical disabilities, and they were always included and treated kindly. I think the adults in our Ward played a major role in setting the tone for this.